January 3rd, 2012. The window install finally begins. I have no complaints with the install and the two men who eventually performed the install. Mike Gravina came by to collect a check a few days afterward. I gave him an opportunity to explain to me why it took so long. He looked at me and said, "I don't really have one." He apologized and left. I've read rebuttals from the owner about other complaints about his company. He seems to get pretty personal. He probably will with me in his rebuttal, so here's my statement about him: It's just amazing to me how an owner of a family-owned business would want to risk treating his customers like this when you've got so much at stake. Your loved ones count on this business succeeding. But then again, I saw in another post that the owner threw his own son under the bus to save his own hide. That should tell you enough about Jim Gravina right there. On the back of the work order the customer signs, the terms and conditions favor Gravina's, so I have little recourse but to wait. But 4 months in my opinion, is too long. Can this happen to you? Do you want to take that risk? Everything I post on here is accurate. I have accurate records of every conversation. I'm not asking Gravina's for any restitution, money, apology, anything. I merely want to cast an accurate report out there for anyone thinking of using this company. I wouldn't recommend it. David Miers
Description of Work: I am a returning customer to Gravina's-Marvin Window Center, having used them before to replace windows in my house in Englewood. I wanted to use them again to replace two small windows in my house in Wash Park. For those who do not have the time to read the whole statement, my complaint is they promised 10 weeks to install my windows, and it took 16 weeks. There was little to no communication from the company. PART 1: THE SALE On September 10, 2011, Mike Gravina (the owner's son) came by my house to take measurements to replace 2 windows upstairs. The order was then written up, and I put 50% down ($1,120.00). Mike told me it would take about ten weeks to get them installed. PART 2: SCHEDULE THE INSTALL On November 9, 2011 (8 weeks later), I received this email from the office manager: Hello,We would like to give you an update on your windows.We are running a bit behind due to some unforeseen circumstances with our installers.We have had a couple of our installers off work recently, which has caused this delay. Thank you for your patience. (name withheld) Office Manager Ten weeks came and went. On week eleven, I called and asked when I could expect my windows to be installed. The lady on the phone said Jim (the owner) is the person who schedules the installations and that I should talk to him. I asked him to give me a call. I never received a call (and in fact have not talked to him since, despite several requests). After a couple of days, I tried calling again and was told Jim was not available. Again I asked him to call me, but he did not return my call. Another week went by, and I was beginning to wonder if they were still in business, so on November 30th at 11:55 a.m. I went to their office and asked to speak to Jim. I was told he was busy. I said I would wait. As I waited, I saw Mike Gravina (the owner's son who had written my order). I asked him to find out when my windows could be installed. He said he would go check. After several minutes, he came back and we had the following conversation: Mike: "Ok, so it looks like they're actually going to be shipping out on the December 19th van." Me: "So it's a problem with the windows, and not the installers?" Mike: "No it is, because we don't release- instead of having a whole bunch of windows down at our- our warehouse is only so big and so we just release them as we go." Me: "Ok, so when can I expect the installation to happen?" Mike: "Uh, they're on the- shortly, well we'll get them on the 19th, uh, it generally takes us a day or so to unload them. I would say sometime that week, Dave." Me: "Ok." Mike: "Um, yeah if we can sneak it in on an earlier truck or something, work you in, we'll definitely do that, but I wouldn't plan on it?" Me: "Ok." Mike: "I would look more on that week of the 19th." Me: "Ok, and you feel pretty strong about that, that's..." Mike: "Yep, yep absolutely." Me: "Alright," Mike: "Sorry for the delay." Me: "It's alright, just haven't heard a response from you guys and just wanted to come and make sure you were still in business." Mike: "Oh, yeah." Me: "Alright." Mike: "Alright, Dave. We'll plan on seeing you, uh, hopefully see you that week." Me: "Alright." On December 14th, I received this email: Hello, I tried to reach you at the number we have on file, but it said the phone had been disconnected. Will you provide me with an updated phone number? Jim is trying to get an idea of installations at the end of the month. Would you be willing to have your windows installed the last week of December, between Christmas and New Year’s? This is a tentative set date, nothing is set in stone. Thank you, (name withheld) Office Manager One thing struck me as odd about this email. First, of course they had my number. It's my cell number. It's clearly written on the work order in Mike Gravina's hand writing. It is the correct phone number that everyone uses to call me. I took out the work order to look at it just to be sure, and yes, there it is on the yellow work order, my correct phone number. I immediately called the office manager and "gave" her my "correct" phone number. I then asked when my windows would be installed, and she told me Jim was working it out. I told her I had talked to Mike and he assured me I could get them installed the week of the 19th. I told her I would be out of town the week between Christmas and New Years and again asked if Jim would give me a call. Of course, I never heard back from him. Probably wishful thinking on my part, but on December 19th, I called to find out what day that week they would come out to install my windows. A reasonable question, since space must be cleared, arrangements made to leave a key, etc. I was able to talk to Mike (only after asking for someone in sales). I reminded him he said it would be this week. He said he would find out and get back to me, and asked for my number. I gave him my number, he asked me to repeat it which I did. Then he said, "Oops, gotta change that." I implied this to mean they still had my number wrong. I received a phone call later that day from the office manager who asked if the install could happen on January 3rd. I told her, "Let's book it." At this point, I just want this to actually happen. What's a couple more weeks, right? So I leave to go out of town to ski in the mountains between Christmas and New Years. That week there is a terrible windstorm, so I come back early because I don't like to ski in the high wind. On Thursday, December 29th at 3:40 p.m. I get a phone call from the office manager saying that one of their installers had finished early and that I could get my windows installed the next day (Friday the 30th). I told them that would be fine. In a way I was thinking I'm getting my windows installed 3 days early! (when in fact, it is about six weeks late). She said they would deliver the windows first thing in the morning. PART 3: THE INSTALLATION The next day, Friday December 30th, the windows were delivered at 8 a.m. At 8:20 a.m. I get a call from Mike the installer (a different Mike). He tells me he's running a little late on another job and he would be here around noon. At 1:30 he shows up for the install. He apologizes for being late and says he's be able to start the job today and finish it up Saturday morning. I said that would be fine. He spends about 15 minutes making a few measurements, looking around, then asks me if I know if my house has lead paint. I told him I have no idea, but the house is 100 years old, so yes, it may. He then tells me he is not certified to do the install if indeed I did have lead paint. At this point, I'm a little suspicious and start wondering if this is a way to get me to pay more for the install. I asked what is the next step. He tells me he knows someone who can test for lead paint and he would try to get him out to do the test. He goes away for a while, then shows up about an hour later with two other people. One of them tests my house for lead. It tests positive for lead paint on the exterior, negative on the interior. He tells me I can "opt out" of the requirement to have a certified contractor who performs lead-safe work practices and still get my windows installed. I ask, "Where do I sign?" I sign the opt-out paper. By now it is 3:00 in the afternoon and too late to start the window install. I asked when can I get my windows installed. Earlier I said two other people returned with the installer. They now turned to this third person and asked him when the next install time can happen. He said he would "call my dad" and went outside to make the call. After a few minutes, the son comes back in and says he wants to stay on schedule and asks the installer to work a full day Saturday the 31st (New Year's Eve). The son offered to help the installer to get it done. I look at the installer and you can tell on his face he is not happy about it. The son asks me if it's alright to do the install on Saturday. I look at everyone and say, "Yes it is. At this point I just want it frickin' done." They leave. The next day is another horrible wind storm. I get a call from Mike the installer who says they cannot install the windows that day because of the wind. This I completely understand, the wind is terrible on this day. He says he reschedules the install for Monday January 2nd. I told him that's fine. Which brings me to today. This morning at 7:33 a.m. I get a call from Mike the installer informing me he cannot perform the install after all because he is not certified. He said he "did some more checking" over the weekend and decided it would not be lawful for him to install my windows. So I'm back to where I was. Still waiting for my windows to be installed. Gravina's office is closed today, so I'm not sure how this will all pan out. The bottom line is it has been almost 16 weeks and my windows have not been installed. At the time of the sale, when they told me it would take 10 weeks to do the install, it gave me pause. I almost said, "No thanks, I'm going with someone else." If I would have known it would take 16 weeks, there is no way I would have used this company. I will update after the install (if it ever happens).