Ironically, all the work SEEMS to have been of high quality. We didn't get to be home while it was being done, though. I didn't care that the start of the project was delayed by rains, and was surprised to get a gift box from the company, which is what prompted my sending the letter. I *DID* care that their communication with their subcontractors was so poor that I had to become the project manager. I may have been nitpicking with the damage to the bathroom ceiling (about 18and quot; round) and the bedroom ceiling (paint blistering from a leak?, also about 18and quot; around), but it was just more straws on the camel's back. I used a Bad Word in talking with their office person when I found out that yet again they had NOT finished the job, but I did apologize immediately. I maintained a courteous demeanor with all. I would also note that I withheld $75 of the final payment so I could ensure that I would get the gutter guarantee, which had been dropped off by the gutter company, signed by Cand L Ward - I sent all but the last $75 with the form and a self-addressed, stamped envelope, asking that they have an officer sign it and return it to me. They were VERY efficient in attempting to collect this finaly $75. Two phone calls and two letters. For the final $75 on a $16,000 job, and the $75 was less than 40 days overdue (and I was waiting to get my guarantee signed). If they managed their CLIENT and subcontractor communication as carefully as getting their money, it would have been a very good experience. The roof and especially the flashing (no tar slopping for them) looks superb four months later. But I'm still irritated at the number of phone calls I had to make, and the number of times I said, and quot;Oh, JEEZ, what NOW with the roofers?!!!and quot; They lost my trust early on and kept dropping the ball with communication.
Description of Work: Patrick Ward C&L Ward 9284 Lapeer Road Davison, MI 48423 Dear Mr. Ward We received your letter and your gift box from Oliver T’s yesterday, and I would first like to say, “Thank you”. I sure wish you had called me instead. It turns out that the delayed installation date was just the first of our concerns – and the one you had least control over, as it was caused by the rainy weather. I would have liked to discuss our entire experience with you. Allow me to summarize: 1. We had to be in Florida during your installation. This meant we had to rely upon our neighbors to oversee the process, and we ended up with two very upset dogs, who had to be alone in the house while strangers were pounding everywhere. No big deal, but our neighbors also had to remind the roofers to remove the underlayment from the chimney or our dogs would have died from carbon monoxide poisoning. Not fun to hear about from hundreds of miles away. 2. We arrived home to find our home’s power line, still connected, on the ground in the back yard. It took days for someone to get back to me to say that your company hadn’t removed it for your workers’ safety, which was our assumption, as we’ve lived here since 1985 with no power line problems. We agree, after hearing about the weather from neighbors and friends, that it probably was the weather while we were gone. And your company sent a very nice guy to ensure it was securely fastened after Consumers Energy put it back up. Thank you for that. 3. We also arrived home to find part of our upstairs bathroom ceiling on the floor. I jumped the gun on this one, as our exchange student reported the entire ceiling as on the floor, and I reported the same to the person I was leaving a message for. It probably was not unusual for this to happen, but if we’d been advised of it as a possibility, we would have put up a couple plaster washers to prevent this. We’ve fixed the holes and are repainting the ceiling. Not a big deal, really. 4. We now have an area of our upstairs master bedroom ceiling with water damage. It’s less than a foot in diameter, and mostly areas of drop-sized peeling latex ceiling paint. This area appeared while we were in Florida and the house was being reroofed. Could have been delayed damage from our aging roof, but a heck of a coincidence. Again, we plan to repaint. 5. Now comes the truly irritating part. The soffit/fascia company sent two guys out. They spoke to my husband and asked, “Are you getting your gutters done?” and he said, “Yeah, I think so”. Well, the assumption that the man of the house made the decisions on this and knew the contract was in error. And the man of the house heard this question as, “Are you getting your gutters covered?” while the soffit guys heard it as “We’re getting our gutters replaced.” So they tore off our gutters. That cost you new gutters for our home. Thank you for not having to argue about this. But there’s a big ‘but’ coming… 6. The soffit and gutter guys put on the soffits and fascia at an angle to accommodate a crown molding. I don’t know why they left the crown molding when the goal of the project was to remove anything we’d have to maintain. And this left us with having to have our gutters installed at an angle, which means that we can NOT have gutter guards installed, as the new gutters are hanging from T-bars. We have large silver maples in our yard that shed ‘propeller’ seeds in the spring and huge amounts of leaves in the fall. This means two gutter cleanings a year, and the attending risk to the person and the gutters. 7. Todd Walker, our estimator, believed that you could do our aluminum sunroom/“Michigan room” roof with a roll product called “Flintlastic”. He was in error. It turns out that your company can’t roof our sunroom at all. Again, this took more than one phone call to resolve. I’m sure you can understand my concern about having two contractors for one home’s roofing. I chose C&L Ward after doing research on Consumers Reports (which lead to the Dow Corning CertainTeed products), and on Angie’s List, and by checking the Better Business Bureau online and calling friends who work for two large area law firms about who they sue. We had three companies give us estimates, and although the other two were lower in price, we felt we were getting a roof system that would be maintenance- and trouble-free for many years to come. Your gift box was nice, and your office staff is pleasant, but I sure would have preferred to have a roof with gutter guards. Now we’ll have to arrange for twice-annual gutter cleaning. I’m sure you know what fun it is to find someone to work two and a half stories about ground, and that it’s expensive. Todd may need better understanding of the products he’s selling, and your communication with your subcontractors may need improving. I’m withholding my opinion of your company for Angie’s List until I hear from you. I hope it will be soon after Christmas. AFTER this letter, I got a phone call from Patrick. He listened carefully and apologized. He said that yes, they CAN put up gutter guards, just a different kind. (Rather than a lid, they're a type of cellular foam that gets cut to fill the gutter.) I was very excited and pleased and said yes, we would like to have that done. I reminded him that his contract included doing the gutters for our sunroom, even though his company had finally concluded that they could not do the roofing. I asked him to remind the gutter people. He sent the 'gutter people' out to take care of it. They came in a day or two - the same subcontracting company. They did a good job quickly and were friendly. Then, 2 weeks later, I happened to look out our upstairs bathroom window and notice that the sunroom gutters had NOT been done. I called the office without waiting to calm down and used a Bad Word with the innocent woman on the line. Dave MacKenzie, their project manager, responded with a phone call. He came out in a day or two, as promised, and installed the solid gutter foam stuff in the sunroom gutters himself. He gave me his card and asked me to call him if I ever have any more problems. ---- Update in December 2012, a year later. The roofing job still seems superb, as does the soffiting. The gutter filling devices aren't the greatest. Leaves still pile up at the spots where the roof valleys have 'splash guards' to keep the water from shooting out over the gutters, and then the water leaks over the leaf piles. So we're still cleaning gutterings, but only in 2 spots. The gutters are tough, good looking, don't leak, and have tolerated high winds. In reflection, I think that 90% of the problems were the communication. The job manager needed to communicate with us, with the subcontractors for gutters and soffits/fascia, and communicate to follow-up with them and with us. I think that six phone calls would have prevented all the hard feelings on our part. I'm still puzzled as to why the company sent us a gift box early in the game because they were 'late' getting the roof on. We had, ironically, had phone calls informing us why the roof was late, and we didn't care... But I sure did care when our gutters got torn off when we weren't buying new gutters (but it worked out - new free gutters!), and when the molding piece kept us from being able to have our choice of gutter COVER installed, versus the gutter filling device. So I've raised the grade to a "C". Communication, folks. Communicate!