"Services Performed" Section Continued: Mr. Manderscheid brought up in his response the placement of the fence with regard to the plat of survey, and although I thought this was resolved, I most definitely have concern now. When the fence was built, my concern was that there was a large, 3? ? 4? gap between where the newly installed fence was and where my old fence resided and how it lined up with respect to my neighbor?s adjoining fence. I was told, after installation of this new fence, that my old fence was actually slightly over my neighbor?s property line (.1?), and that by law they could not touch my neighbor?s property, even with the cement anchors underground. That was the reason Mr. Manderscheid gave me for the gap between the two fences that exists now. I stated previously that one end of the newly installed fence is not secured by a post, as it should be, because the measurements were obviously not taken correctly. I noticed today that when Woodmaster climbed my fence to get onto my property this past weekend, they also attempted to ?fix? this fence?s instability by nailing the unstable end of my fence to my neighbor?s adjacent fence to give it added strength. That is not acceptable. The new fence cannot be placed where the old one had been standing for the last 40 years because I am not allowed to cross property boundaries, yet he can drive nails into my neighbor?s fence and attach mine to it? He is utilizing my neighbor?s property as a makeshift remedy to conceal an obvious and noticeable problem with the workmanship. Not only can I be held responsible for my neighbor?s property, in this circumstance, but without the use of their fence, mine is unsecure, as I told him it was from the beginning. He knows the work is substandard and he is in the wrong, or he would not have even attempted to fix it like this. Mr Manderscheid?s recitation of the account pertaining to the fence and the property line is completely inaccurate, as you can see. My concern was not that the fence was on my neighbor?s property. The concern was that the fence was four inches too close to my house/too far into my property, thereby shrinking my lot size. Even my neighbor noticed and commented on how offset it looks. This fence does not line up with the old one, and Rick spent ten minutes trying to convince me it shouldn?t at the time it was built. Yet, in his recount of the situation, he states that I insisted the fence was on my neighbor?s property, which is what forced him to come back out that day, and that the new fence lines up with the old one. None of this is accurate. My fence does not line up with the old one. That was the point of my initial concern. Mr. Manderscheid has responded to my BBB complaint with nothing more than fabricated scenarios. He apparently brought this property line issue into the picture to try to build credibility of some sort, or he wouldn?t have mentioned it in the first place, since I didn?t even address that in my initial complaint. Mr. Mandersheid states in his reply, "I asked Adam if anything else needed to be done and he replied no." To this, I can only ask, ?Are you kidding me?? as this is such a fabrication and has no basis in reality. Mr. Manderscheid and I have only had one phone conversation since the fence was installed on October 21. That phone conversation took place December 1, after I had finally threatened to file reports with the BBB, Angie's List, and the Chamber of Commerce. I asked him in that conversation, very nicely, multiple times to please come out and look at all of the issues with the material and workmanship that need to be corrected. He absolutely refused to come out and discuss any of the issues acknowledge any wrongdoing. He has done the same thing here in his fabricated response. He told me on the phone, "I saw it the day it was built, and it's perfect. I don't need to come out to do anything. There's nothing to talk about. I don't need to babysit. People like you will never be happy." We hung up the phone on less than friendly terms by him telling me to go ahead and file my claims. And he has the audacity to lie, as if he is under the impression all is well and I am an unreasonably unsatisfied customer? Or state that he asked me if there was anything else he could do for me? Never! I?m truly appalled. Who on Earth conducts business like this? I have never dealt with anyone like this, and I have been a business professional for 16 years. I paid this man my hard earned $1100 to have a job done properly, and it is not. That?s all there is to it. I don't understand why this is such a problem. There is supposed to be a lifetime warranty on workmanship, and I can't even get the owner of this company to come look at the work his men did incorrectly, more or less admit they made some mistakes and fix them. I am sure it is because in order to correct those mistakes properly, it will cost him and his company additional money. The only way for this to be done right, is to pull it all down, start from scratch, and rebuild the entire fence. However, that is not my problem. I expect the job to be done right. That is what I paid for. If he cannot or will not rebuild the fence correctly, as it should have been done the first time, he can have his workers come take his materials back and refund my money in full. The end. This is absolutely ridiculous. Complaints have been filed with Angie's List, the BBB, the Attorney General and the City of Des Plaines.
Description of Work: My Initial Complaint: I first contacted Woodmaster Fence in Sept., 2011 to provide a quote for fencing on my domestic property. The owner was quite responsive. Upon his initial visit to take measurements and discuss the work that would be done, I specified the need for not only the old fence to be taken down and hauled away, but for the old posts and cement anchors to be removed. I also explained that this was the only reason I needed a contractor instead of buying segments of fence at a home improvement store and doing it myself: that I was incapable of removing those anchors. If I was, I certainly wouldn't be paying $1100 for 32' of fence. Rick, the owner, stated that it was all part of the job and "when completed, our work will be perfect." As a matter of fact, he stated this in email messages to me, as well. He provided a competitive quote, so I gave him the business. Once the work was completed, I paid him in full with a check that same day. The next day, I noticed a number of boards that were cracked and split all the way through. I emailed Rick, requesting he come out to fix the bad boards. Two days later, he emailed me saying "We'll be there to take care of it." A week passed, and I hadn't heard anything more from Woodmaster. However, in the mean time, I noticed about a dozen more cracked boards, including one of the horizontal supports. Additionally, there were knots popping out of the wood. The contract I signed stated the wood would be #1 grade cedar. This is not characteristic of superior grade material. Also, I noticed as looking from my kitchen window, that the four segments of fence he installed were completely asymmetrical. I wasn't sure if my eyes were playing tricks on me or not. So, I went outside with a tape measure to find that one segment was 96", another was 95", another was 85", and the last was only 83". Additionally, the last segment of fence is not properly secured with a post at the end. The work was not measured out properly. Not only were there defects in materials but with the workmanship, as a whole. I emailed Rick again to let him know that there were various issues we needed to discuss, and I would like to schedule a time to get together to show him the areas of concern to me in order to rectify the situation. He said he would send someone out, on a day that I clearly stated I was not available, to fix the fence. However, we had not even had the opportunity to discuss all of the problems with the materials and workmanship. Nor had I had an opportunity to show him or any of his workers where all of the defects are. I requested he let me know another day that works for him so we could meet and get this all taken care of in one easy step. A week passed, and no response from Woodmaster. I emailed again and finally received a reply email the next day, Nov. 12, telling me he would call as soon as he knew when they were available. Two weeks passed. No call, no email. I walked out my back door Nov. 25 to find two men starting to pull boards from my fence. Happy to see them, I asked if Rick was around. "No, he just sent us with these five boards," one man replied. In my previous email to Rick, I clearly explained there were at least 15 boards that needed replacing on my side of the fence, alone, amongst many other things. Yet, the men that showed up were ill-equipped and did not have the decision making authority to take care of the problems. I have tried to rectify this situation amicably, like a gentleman. However, in a phone call today, the owner was absolutely obstinate. He refuses to come look at the workmanship or acknowledge any wrongdoing. He said his workers would only replace some of the boards that were bad and will not rebuild the fence or reposition the posts. I told him, at this point, he could either rebuild it or take it down and refund my money, or I'd file a claim. The materials are sub-par; the workmanship is faulty. This is not what I paid for. Response to Woodmaster's Post: Unfortunately, Mr. Manderscheid’s response is wholly inaccurate and, perhaps more importantly, fails to address the matters relevant to this dispute. Mr. Manderscheid’s response appears to focus around the fence’s position with regard to my property line, which is not (not has it been) the subject of our dispute. This complaint was filed specifically because there are numerous problems with the fence, with both the materials and workmanship; and the owner of the business refuses to fully correct them. Contrary to Mr. Manderscheid’s recollection, we absolutely did discuss removing the posts and anchors or "butts" that were in place the day Mr. Manderscheid came out to measure for the quote. I explained at that time that this was the only reason I needed a fencing contractor to put in a new fence - because I could not possibly lift the posts and the three feet of cement attached to each one by myself. If I could, I would purchase the same amount of fence from a home improvement store, such as Home Depot, for $300, rather than paying a contractor over three times that much. When the fence was being installed, nobody said a thing about, "moving posts to either side of the old post butt in the ground." I contracted Woodmaster because they were supposed to be the professionals and know exactly where to put the posts. That is not my job as the consumer. Mr. Manderscheid stating that anyone asked me about the positioning is preposterous, and it is an outright lie. The fact is: the fence was not measured correctly by his workers. Therefore, the posts are incorrectly placed. There are four segments, all of different lengths, and this is visibly noticeable to even a layperson as myself, and certainly must be obvious to any professional. In his response, Mr. Manderscheid claims that I wanted to be present when he sent his worker, Augustine, to replace the boards. This is not accurate. Instead, I repeatedly told Mr. Manderscheid that I wanted to address some issues directly with him (and not his workers). In fact, one of my email messages to him provided: "There are a couple other issues that need to be addressed. … I'd like to be there to review the things that are of concern, and unfortunately I am not available on Saturday. Let me know what days you have next week, so we can get this rectified. " The response I received from Mr. Manderscheid, in return, was, "We are coming out Sat., Nov 5 to take care of your concerns. You do not need to be home." Because Mr. Manderscheid could not possibly take care of my concerns when he didn't even know what they were yet, I replied back, "There are so many things that are not right with this fence; I would like to be there to point them out to you." It took eight days and an additional follow-up email after that before I received a response. Yet, he still has not been out to look at fence since it was installed and, therefore, still does not have knowledge of everything that is wrong with it. Mr. Manderscheid claimed that Augustine came and replaced all of the bad boards, which is also an outright lie. Augustine came out one time, without notice, on November 25 and replaced five boards. Mr. Manderscheid was not there to discuss any of the other problems with the construction. I have photographs of all of the boards that are damaged, as well examples of the poor construction. Until yesterday, upon reading Mr. Manderscheid’s response to my complaint, it was my belief that Augustine had only been out once to make any repairs. I couldn’t believe he had the gall to state that Augustine had come back out again to replace more boards a second time. Certainly, nobody had talked to me about this. Augustine had been out on Nov. 25th with his five boards, and that was it. The one and only time I spoke to Mr. Manderscheid on the phone since the fence was installed was on December 1. That was after I had explained to him in an email that I was going to file complaints with the BBB, Angie’s List, and the Chamber of Commerce. That call ended in a less than friendly manner as he told me that he was not going to comply and that I should go ahead and file my complaints, at which point I was explicit in telling Mr. Mandersheid not to step foot on my property unless I was home at the time and he was going to be there to review the problems with me. So, after reading Mr. Mandersheid’s response to my BBB complaint yesterday (December 5th), stating that Augustine had come out again, I double checked to see if any additional work had been done. Sure enough, Mr. Manderscheid sent one of his workers out this past weekend, without my permission and contrary to my express requests that nobody enter my property without my knowledge and consent, when I was not home to replace a few more boards. I know this because I took pictures, dated Friday Dec. 2, of all of the workmanship that still needed to be corrected. In order for any of Mr. Manderscheid’s workers to perform this work, they must have climbed my heavily chained and padlocked fence to get in my backyard. This constitutes trespassing, and if it happens again, I will have the police involved. Although it appears a few more boards were replaced at that time, the work is still far from done correctly. There are still boards with cracks that have not been replaced. Even the boards that he or his workers snuck in and did replace are defective: some have holes in them where knots must have been, some are cracked, and others appear to be rotten. Because Mr. Manderscheid still continues to avoid me and refuses to meet to discuss all of the problems at hand, he has no idea exactly what those problems are. He admitted his knowledge of my desire to be present as he stated in his response, yet did all of this behind my back in a feeble attempt to make it appear to anyone else involved as if he is trying to provide some kind of customer service.